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這篇非常有趣,把整個國際法,公民自決,邦國主權等的關係作一番檢驗。到底「主權」 與 「自決」 的辯證關係是啥?
不管那一地區要「公民自決」,有些受某國支持,有些不支持,到底理由何在?有的受該母國之同意,有的須要與母國對抗;有些公民自我清一色的選擇,國際卻干涉;有些公民叫到死去活來,國際也完全不鳥。
這麼多不同的狀況,不同的解釋,最糟糕的是用同一個名詞「國際法」,更糟糕的是「國際法」根本毫無標準,也沒人具有維持「國際法」秩序的能耐!
「公民自決」用數學的排列組合共有四種可能:
- 母國同意,國際接受,如:蘇格蘭,傀北克
- 母國同意,國際不接受,如:目前想不出例子。
- 母國不同意,國際接受,如:東蒂文,科索沃
- 母國不同意,國際不接受,如:圖博,維吾爾,目前的克理米亞
「國際不接受」還分兩種,一是反對,二是不表態。另外還要加上陣營的顏色,才能準確。國際並非都清一色地共識。以科索沃為例,西方接受,俄羅斯陣營反對。
若要讓整個狀況複雜到幾乎無解,那就還須要考慮另一情況,誰是母國?連母國資格的承認都有爭議。這情況就是以台澎及巴勒斯坦為最棘手了。
Sovereignty vs. Self-Rule:
Crimea Reignites Battle
By PETER BAKERMARCH 8, 2014
The Kosovars’ secession from Serbia in 1999 drove a deep wedge between the United States and Russia that soured relations for
years. Washington supported Kosovo’s bid for
independence, culminating in 2008, while Moscow
saw it as an infringement of Serbia ’s
sovereignty.
Now 15 years later, the former
Cold War rivals again find themselves at odds, but this time they have
effectively switched sides: Russia
loudly proclaims Crimea’s right to break off from Ukraine while the United States
calls it illegitimate. The showdown in Ukraine has revived a centuries-old
debate over the right of self-determination versus the territorial integrity of
nation-states.
The clash in Crimea is hardly
an exact parallel of the Kosovo episode, especially with Russian troops
occupying the peninsula as it calls a March 16 referendum to dissolve ties with
Ukraine and rejoin Russia . Though
the United States
intervened militarily in Kosovo, it did not do so to take the territory for
itself. But the current case underscores once again that for all of the
articulation of grand principles, the acceptability of regions breaking away
often depends on the circumstances.
Consider the different American
views of recent bids for independence.
Abkhazia? No.
It is an acutely delicate
subject in the West, where Britain
wants to keep Scotland and Spain wants to keep Catalonia . The United
States , after all, was born in revolution, breaking away
from London without consent of the national
government — something that the Obama administration insists Crimea
must have. The young American union later fought a civil war to keep the South
from breaking away. Even today, there is occasional fringe talk of secession in
Texas .
“No state has been consistent
in its application of this,” said Samuel Charap, a Russia specialist at the International Institute for Strategic Studies.
During a trip he took to Moscow last week, Mr.
Charap said, Kosovo was the precedent cited repeatedly by Russians defending
the Crimea intervention. “It’s like, ‘You guys
do the same thing. You’re no better. You’re no different.’ ”
Russian officials have likewise
cited Scotland , which will
soon vote on whether to remain in the United Kingdom , in recent days as
another example. But American officials note that no foreign power sent troops
into Edinburgh
to replace its local government and stage a vote days later under the barrel of
a gun. The Kremlin, they argue, is trying to legitimize an invasion and a land
grab with false comparisons to situations like Kosovo.
“It’s apples and oranges,” said
Benjamin J. Rhodes, President Obama’s deputy national security adviser. “You
can’t ignore the context that this is taking place days after the violation of
Ukrainian sovereignty and territorial integrity. It’s not a permissive
environment for people to make up their own minds.”
While the concept of state
sovereignty can be traced to theTreaty of
Westphalia in 1648, the issue has been especially tricky for American
presidents in the quarter century since the end of the Cold War. Ukraine itself is the product of a breakup, that
of the Soviet Union , when 15 separate nations
emerged from the wreckage. Several of those new nations then confronted their
own separatist movements, notably Chechnya in Russia; Transnistria in
Moldova; Abkhazia and South Ossetia in Georgia; and Nagorno-Karabakh in
Azerbaijan.
Although Woodrow Wilson
championed self-determination after World War I, the United States like most powers
generally prefers stability and the status quo, so it has largely supported
preserving borders where they are. During the first Russian war in Chechnya , Bill Clinton even likened Boris N.
Yeltsin to Abraham Lincoln, a comparison many in Washington
came to regret amid the carpet bombing of Grozny ,
the Chechen capital.
“Self-determination has been a
controversial doctrine since Wilson ,
and hell to apply,” said Stephen Sestanovich, a former ambassador at large to
the Soviet states and the author of a new book, “Maximalist,” on American
foreign policy. “One consistent point: It can’t be used as a cudgel by big
states to break up their neighbors. Russia ’s own record here does not
entitle it to the benefit of the doubt.”
Of course, the fractiousness
that has chopped up the Soviet empire into increasingly smaller and often
dysfunctional pieces is not relegated only to that part of the world, although
in the West in recent years it has played through political and legal processes
rather than military ones.
In September, for example, Scotland will hold a referendum on secession, a
vote being held with the acquiescence of London .
In November, Catalonia plans its own vote on
independence from Spain ,
although in that case the Madrid
government has called it illegal. Quebec held
unsuccessful referendums on independence from Canada in 1980 and 1995 and as
recently as last week its separatist government was discussing whether another
should be held.
But Kosovo is the case that
deeply divided Europe . After Yugoslavia fell
apart, the Kosovo Liberation Army, a rebel group representing the Albanian
minority, struggled against the Serbian government, which responded with
punishing force until Mr. Clinton intervened in 1999 with a 78-day NATO bombing
campaign.
Kosovo declared independence in
2008. The United States
under George W. Bush recognized it, as did Britain ,
France and Germany , but Russia
adamantly rejected it, as did Spain .
The International Court of Justice later ruled that Kosovo’s declaration was
legal.
“We never saw it as setting a
precedent, but there were some nations that saw it that way and still do,” said
James W. Pardew, who was Mr. Clinton’s special representative for the
Balkans.
John B. Bellinger III, who was
the top lawyer at the State Department under Bush, said: “We were very careful
to emphasize that Kosovo was a unique situation. We were fond of saying it was
sui generis — and it did not create a precedent that would likely be replicable
anywhere else.”
That is not how the Kremlin
sees it. Ever since, Russia
has cited Kosovo to justify support for pro-Moscow separatist republics in
places like Georgia , where
it went to war in 2008 and recognized the independence of Abkhazia and South Ossetia over Western objections.
“Kosovo is very much a
legitimate precedent,” said Dimitri K. Simes, president of the Center for the
National Interest, a Washington research
organization, agreeing with Moscow ’s
argument. “Independence was accomplished despite
strong opposition by a legitimate, democratic and basically Western-oriented
government of Serbia .”
By contrast, he said, the new pro-Western government in Kiev “lacks legitimacy,” since it came to
power by toppling a democratically elected president.
The Obama administration
maintains that the cases cannot be compared. Serbia , White House officials said,
lost its legitimacy and right to rule in Kosovo by its violent crackdown.
Despite Russian claims, there has been little, if any, independent evidence of
such a campaign against the Russian-speaking population in Crimea .
“There’s no repression or
crimes against humanity that the government in Kiev
has committed against the people of Crimea ,”
Mr. Rhodes said. “There’s no loss of legitimacy.”
"母國同意,國際不接受,如:目前想不出例子。"
回覆刪除英國曾在直布羅陀舉行公投、讓公民自決,但是人口已經因為英國統治而質變,所以國際社會沒有很明確地接受。
如果土龍在充分殖民東土耳其斯坦與圖博後,可能也會玩這招。
台灣從1895年後和中國根本打不到一竿子去
回覆刪除是中國人云云只是蔣介石那一干難民集團帶過來的,
要公投從那一國獨立?
從日本,從美國,都只怕都比中國更有依據
練嘴者:
回覆刪除若是 從領土之所有者 來分類 或許更清晰人類法律文明對財產權的意義
簡單區分領地的種類 君主領地 共和領地 其他領地
君主領地所有權者在君主 只君主要答應離則分離 如日本天皇受諾波茨坦終戰條件 讓韓台琉分離則韓台分離 琉球人選擇回歸日本
共和領地者之所有權者為 本國人民則需要原所有者答應分離 再由分離地區人民決定去留 即雙重制 分中央及地方 二者皆曰離則離 有一方不同意 則在聯合國保障領土主權完整之下 並不能合法分離例科索沃
以上以民法財產權擴充到國際法來說明財產權分割
若以都更圈地來說明 即財產權並不能以多數決 來決定財產處分權利
若住民公投自決需母國同意,那麼這個地球上目前至少有三個地區,依據國際法或任何聯合國的法條決議,都絕對無法客觀訂出誰是母國,而且這些地區都住有不少民眾。
回覆刪除三個地區就是:日本北方四島,台澎金馬,巴勒斯坦。
尖閣群島,南海諸島,都沒住人,所以沒有住民公投自決的問題,純粹是領土佔有的問題。
這三個地區中,毫無外力駐軍,且自我統治,唯有台澎。巴勒斯坦還需在以色列的領土管轄下,行使自治區而已。然而台灣連這個也沒有。台澎的領土歸屬,以目前所有的國際法來看,根本是沒有母國之地啦!還需啥獨立?直接建個邦國不就得了?
國際接不接受,合不合國際法,即使僅能達到可以把KMT徹底蒸發的程度,就算非常了不起了。那時再來煩惱國際法,不遲啦!
難道臺澎不在ROC統治之下?C代表了什麽意思?
刪除也許你以為台澎在ROC的統治之下,可是從國際上大部份的國家來看,台澎是在 Chinese Taipei 的統治之下的吧。Chinese Taipei 代表了什麼意思?
刪除Chinese Taipei 什麽意思?很簡單,中國臺北呀?外國人眼裏可沒有什麽中華臺北,何況Chinese Taipei 本身就是當年兩個中國奧會角力妥協的結果。
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